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Re: The Chrysanthemums

dsader wrote:
dsader wrote:

Who is "the lady down the road"?

List the precise details the Tinker is to tell this lady.

Elisa tells the Tinker to tell the lady down the road that:
-the chrysanthemums will root in about a month and to plant them a foot apart. They will grow fast and tall.
- cut them down in July so that they are eight inches from the ground
- They will grow back up and bloom in september
- The blooms take the most care. She uses her "planting hands".

Are these steps somehow a metaphor for Elisa's life. She grows and becomes tall and then gets cut down by some event in her life. However she grows even stronger and more beautiful after being cut down?

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dsader wrote:
dkonieczny wrote:
dsader wrote:

List the precise details the Tinker is to tell this lady.

After the Chrysanthemums root, place them one foot apart in rich soil,
In July, cut them down eight inches from the ground before they bloom
In September, they will bud, and she will have to take very good care of them by only choosing the buds you feel you should pick off, and you have to show you care, because something with such detail, and caring like gardening should be well taken care of.

Why does the peddler ask "before they bloom"?

The cutting of the chrysanthemums before they bloom could symbolize the refusal by the tinker, before Elisa's chest swelled as she grew with desire. Elisa's dreams were also limited and removed by the geography and her marriage, before she realized them.

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dsader wrote:
kdkrys wrote:
dsader wrote:

Why does the peddler ask "before they bloom"?

Its strange, most flowers after they bloom you trim and cut them down. Its not normal to trim a flower before they bloom.

But the overall effect of cutting them down is...

The overall effect of cutting them down is to get rid of the buds you don't want.

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dsader wrote:
dkonieczny wrote:
jozeller wrote:

Why is Elisa so upset when she sees that the Tinker threw away the Chrysanthemums? Is it because she worked hard to grow the chrysanthemums or more due to her relationship with the tinker?

Elisa is so upset when she sees that the Tinker threw away the Chrysanthemums because her Chrysanthemums were to be a symbol of feminism. If Elisa could spread her ideas (the Chrysanthemums) she would have made an impact on the world, no matter how small. The Tinker, however, ruined her chance at showing her skills, and what is important to a female.

Feminism? Specify.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

Elisa states "It must be very nice. I wish women could do such things."
Obviously women in the 1930's had very little rights since, they were still seen as object not people. The definition of feminism is the goal of defining rights that women and men are equal.

Re: The Chrysanthemums

jozeller wrote:
dsader wrote:
dsader wrote:

Who is "the lady down the road"?

List the precise details the Tinker is to tell this lady.

Elisa tells the Tinker to tell the lady down the road that:
-the chrysanthemums will root in about a month and to plant them a foot apart. They will grow fast and tall.
- cut them down in July so that they are eight inches from the ground
- They will grow back up and bloom in september
- The blooms take the most care. She uses her "planting hands".

Are these steps somehow a metaphor for Elisa's life. She grows and becomes tall and then gets cut down by some event in her life. However she grows even stronger and more beautiful after being cut down?

Who offers to sharpen her scissors?

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dwebb wrote:
dsader wrote:

What would be a good thesis statement about the story?

A good thesis statement for this story would be, "In the story The Chrysanthemums by John Steinbeck, Elisa is in search for her true self, and she is asking herself "Do people sometimes confuse love with feelings?"and "What is a happy life?""

lol

Re: The Chrysanthemums

dsader wrote:
jozeller wrote:
dsader wrote:

List the precise details the Tinker is to tell this lady.

Elisa tells the Tinker to tell the lady down the road that:
-the chrysanthemums will root in about a month and to plant them a foot apart. They will grow fast and tall.
- cut them down in July so that they are eight inches from the ground
- They will grow back up and bloom in september
- The blooms take the most care. She uses her "planting hands".

Are these steps somehow a metaphor for Elisa's life. She grows and becomes tall and then gets cut down by some event in her life. However she grows even stronger and more beautiful after being cut down?

Who offers to sharpen her scissors?

How is this ironic?

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Re: The Chrysanthemums

dsader wrote:
dsader wrote:

Who is "the lady down the road"?

List the precise details the Tinker is to tell this lady.

1. "Well look, these will take root in about a month. Then she must set them out about a foot apart in good rich earth like this, see?"
2. They'll grow fast and tall. Now remember this. In July, tell her to cut them down about eight inches from the ground."
3. "Yes, before they bloom. They'll grow right up again. About the last of September the buds will start."
4. "Its the budding that takes the most care"

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dsader wrote:

What would be a good thesis statement about the story?

The thesis statement I used in my study guide is: John Steinbeck’s short story is written to show how the life of a farmers wife is closed in, unadventurous and lacks a strong connection between she and her husband.

Re: The Chrysanthemums

Have a look at the thesis template on my whiteboard. Someone type it into this forum. Use "literary techniques" more specifically in the structure of your thesis.

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dsader wrote:
dsader wrote:
jozeller wrote:

Elisa tells the Tinker to tell the lady down the road that:
-the chrysanthemums will root in about a month and to plant them a foot apart. They will grow fast and tall.
- cut them down in July so that they are eight inches from the ground
- They will grow back up and bloom in september
- The blooms take the most care. She uses her "planting hands".

Are these steps somehow a metaphor for Elisa's life. She grows and becomes tall and then gets cut down by some event in her life. However she grows even stronger and more beautiful after being cut down?

Who offers to sharpen her scissors?

How is this ironic?

The tinker offers to sharpen her scissors. This is ironic because Elisa has transformed and grown flirtacious and confident while the tinker is in the yard, and has made her develop a desire to grow further into confidence. He offers to sharpen her scissors, only to cut her down when he dumps the chrysanthemums on the side of the road.

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dsader wrote:

Have a look at the thesis template on my whiteboard. Someone type it into this forum. Use "literary techniques" more specifically in the structure of your thesis.

In the story of “The Chrysanthemums,” John Steinbeck's symbol of  the chrysanthemum garden reveal his characters struggle with the role of love, sources of strength, and the pursuit of personal fulfillment.

Re: The Chrysanthemums

sberg wrote:
dsader wrote:
dsader wrote:

Who offers to sharpen her scissors?

How is this ironic?

The tinker offers to sharpen her scissors. This is ironic because Elisa has transformed and grown flirtacious and confident while the tinker is in the yard, and has made her develop a desire to grow further into confidence. He offers to sharpen her scissors, only to cut her down when he dumps the chrysanthemums on the side of the road.

What do you think of her reply about the scissors? “No. My scissors are all sharp.”

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dsader wrote:
dwebb wrote:
dsader wrote:

What would be a good thesis statement about the story?

A good thesis statement for this story would be, "In the story The Chrysanthemums by John Steinbeck, Elisa is in search for her true self, and she is asking herself "Do people sometimes confuse love with feelings?"and "What is a happy life?""

Avoid listing questions in the thesis. Answers/statements needed.

Oh? Alrightie then! How about
In his short story “The Chrysanthemums,” Steinbeck uses symbolisms and imagery to explore the repressed feminine qualities of Elisa, who is a strong person who is not taken seriously because she is a woman.

Re: The Chrysanthemums

What are your favorite details from this story?

Re: The Chrysanthemums

dwebb wrote:
dsader wrote:
dwebb wrote:

A good thesis statement for this story would be, "In the story The Chrysanthemums by John Steinbeck, Elisa is in search for her true self, and she is asking herself "Do people sometimes confuse love with feelings?"and "What is a happy life?""

Avoid listing questions in the thesis. Answers/statements needed.

Oh? Alrightie then! How about
In his short story “The Chrysanthemums,” Steinbeck uses symbolisms and imagery to explore the repressed feminine qualities of Elisa, who is a strong person who is not taken seriously because she is a woman.

"symbolisms and imagery "? Answer this question in the thesis.

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Re: The Chrysanthemums

dsader wrote:

Have a look at the thesis template on my whiteboard. Someone type it into this forum. Use "literary techniques" more specifically in the structure of your thesis.

John Steinbeck in The Chrysanthemums evaluates the freedom of a woman in the early 1900's using the ideas of a rock, the garden, and true love.

Re: The Chrysanthemums

dsader wrote:
dwebb wrote:
dsader wrote:

Avoid listing questions in the thesis. Answers/statements needed.

Oh? Alrightie then! How about
In his short story “The Chrysanthemums,” Steinbeck uses symbolisms and imagery to explore the repressed feminine qualities of Elisa, who is a strong person who is not taken seriously because she is a woman.

"symbolisms and imagery "? Answer this question in the thesis.

List 3 "repressed feminine qualities" you'll quibble.

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dsader wrote:
dwebb wrote:
dsader wrote:

Avoid listing questions in the thesis. Answers/statements needed.

Oh? Alrightie then! How about
In his short story “The Chrysanthemums,” Steinbeck uses symbolisms and imagery to explore the repressed feminine qualities of Elisa, who is a strong person who is not taken seriously because she is a woman.

"symbolisms and imagery "? Answer this question in the thesis.

Symbolism like she has to wear mens clothing, and has to work in the dirt, on her knees. Being crouched on her knees symbolizes that she is inferior and is almost bowing.

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dsader wrote:

What are your favorite details from this story?

My favorite detail to the story is how she doesn't asked the man's name. It shows a sense of desperation in that she needs to feel any affection from anyone.

Re: The Chrysanthemums

kdkrys wrote:
dsader wrote:

Have a look at the thesis template on my whiteboard. Someone type it into this forum. Use "literary techniques" more specifically in the structure of your thesis.

John Steinbeck in The Chrysanthemums evaluates the freedom of a woman in the early 1900's using the construct: of a rock, the garden, and true love.

"the construct"?

image, symbol, archetype?

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John Steinback creates the character of Elisa Allen to demonstrate how humans find person fulfilment, how we get our needs met through others, and how we see ourselves compared to how others see us.

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dsader wrote:

What are your favorite details from this story?

The rock she cleans her-self with, representing Jesus.

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dkonieczny wrote:

John Steinback creates the character of Elisa Allen to demonstrate how humans find person fulfilment, how we get our needs met through others, and how we see ourselves compared to how others see us.

How? Answers to this question in the thesis please.

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dsader wrote:
dsader wrote:
dwebb wrote:

Oh? Alrightie then! How about
In his short story “The Chrysanthemums,” Steinbeck uses symbolisms and imagery to explore the repressed feminine qualities of Elisa, who is a strong person who is not taken seriously because she is a woman.

"symbolisms and imagery "? Answer this question in the thesis.

List 3 "repressed feminine qualities" you'll quibble.

Freedom of a woman; choice of entertainment, labour, housing.
Whereas the Tinker allows Elisa to express her joy and feelings.