1 (edited by Dykstra 2006-08-31 13:17:20)

Topic: Our relationship with technolgy.

I've noticed that the amount of technolgy is the status symbol in our society. Everyone is trying to keep up with the Jones'. Everyone compares the best and latest cellphone. The Native Americans established status by the amount of horses they owned. One form of technolgy for another. Are we any smarter then them?

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I don't believe that we are smater then the Native Americans. All we have are better tool and technology. Some of the smartest people in history are from thousands of years ago. Aristoltle, Galileo, they thought of things that we can only comprehend after years of study thay betterd the world with the tools thay had. So no we are not smarter we are only more fortunate to have the tools and technology that make us appear smarter.

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But in appearing smarter to everyone, does that not make us smarter?

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We have had genius's that have created amzing technology and helped humainty advance. But the same goes for the invention of the light bulb or even fire. Just because we can create a Nintendo doesn't make us smarter then people from a hundred or even a thousand years ago.

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It depends how you define smarter.  If you could bring back Aristotle or Galileo to present day they wouldn't be able to use or understand our technology.  So one could argue that means we are smarter.  It all depends on what you interpret as smarter.

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Yes, it's true that Aristotle or Galileo wouldn't be able to use or understand today's technology. But we wouldn't have today's technology without their creations and philosphies.

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We have the tools and technology to make us appear smarter, thats the clincher. We made the tools and technoloy. Dudes like Galileo still had the same chance to make the tools we use today. We've advanced over the years.

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Doesn't having the "smartness" to advance to use new technology make us smarter?

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Who here knows how to make fire with just your bare hands? No matches and lighters. We have technolgy that eliminates the everyday mundane tasks, to an extent where we are ignorant to what we learned centuries beforehand.

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So you are defining smartness as making fire with your bare hands.  However isn't the technology we created to make the small task of starting a fire easier equally smart?

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No,  Galileo made the pully as an advancment to the technology of his age. Edison made the light bulb an advencement in his time. Now we've created cell phones, all usefull creations made by smart people but can it really be said that Edison was smarter then Galileo? That can't be justified there is no proof that we are smarter today they we were years ago.

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Exactly, equally smart not anymore smart of less smart. Just an advancment over time.

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Dykstra wrote:

Who here knows how to make fire with just your bare hands? No matches and lighters. We have technolgy that eliminates the everyday mundane tasks, to an extent where we are ignorant to what we learned centuries beforehand.

I know how! (Yay for survivor!) So obviously not every is as ignorant to the previous technologies. I still honor the makers of the record player by regularly playing records instead of C.D.'s. Some of us still "dwell in the past."

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I believe that if it wasn't for the first light bulb, we would've never been able to create the electricity needed for a computer today, or a television set. Im sure if it wasn't Edison that didn't invent the first light bulb then someone else would of. However I don't beleive that we are at all smarter then people 2000 years ago. I believe that are strive for better has advanced now that we have the right technology and supplies, but not being smarter.

15 (edited by gnoster 2006-08-31 14:54:00)

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I don't believe that we are smarter than people 200 years ago either...only that technology has helped our understanding of things! We are no smarter than Einstein was.... only helped!

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I believe that our brains have evolved and we are smarter, as a majority, than the people of yesteryears, only we haven't used our brains enough to prove it.  With the accumulation of greater technology our skills prove less valuable and are no longer used. If need be I believe we could prove that we are truly an evolved people and still possess the skills of our ancestors.

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Somethings have to go, though. We cannot simply store up all the information of our ancestores AND know the things of the present to keep us up to date. Like stories, skills are sometimes passed along from generation to generation, and sometimes they are dropped if they are deamed unneccisary.  As our technology progressed, LOTS of skills (like making fire with our bare hands) have been dropped because they aer deamed unneccisary.

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so even though we dropped that information, are we still smarter? Or are our heads now filled with useless stuff in place of the lost knowledge of our ancestors?

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But what would people of the past pay for the new but useless information. To them it would have
value, so is it really useless?

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so what does value have to do with whether or not we're smarter? Just because we have the fancyer toys, does that make the psyche behind those toys any better or worse than those that came before? have we traded the spiritual knowledge of our ancesters for the technical knowledge of today?

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It's all what we value to learn as a society, which leads to forgetting information that has become "useless", which leads to are we smarter than the people who remembered that "technology". It's all very simply. cool

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Kesela wrote:

so even though we dropped that information, are we still smarter? Or are our heads now filled with useless stuff in place of the lost knowledge of our ancestors?

What do you consider lost knowledge of our ancestors?  Today's world is filled with new ideas of what is "smart". Times have changed, so have we really filled our heads with useless stuff or just different?

23 (edited by wmcauley 2006-09-01 13:29:49)

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cool

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As technology evolves we must evolve our own smartness so we can use the technology that is created for us. Sure we have lost some skills that were used in the past but we have traded those skills for the skills to survive in a time of advanced technology. We are obviously smarter than the generations before us if we can live with and use the technology created for us.
"There is no hope for survival unless the next generation is smarter." - Mr. Sader

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msommer wrote:

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What do you consider lost knowledge of our ancestors?  Today's world is filled with new ideas of what is "smart". Times have changed, so have we really filled our heads with useless stuff or just different?

The lost knowledge of our ancestors encompasses a great many things. One example is the Aztec calendar that stops in 2012. As well, there are great sculptures that only make sense when seen from the air. What happened? what did they know? Things that should have been remembered are lost.